People of the Cave

[Teachme]

Asalaam ualaikum,
Nasser Muhammad made mention of three people in the cave and the added addition of Jesus body which lays in a coffin.
#The three named, Elias, also known as Zulkifl, also known as Ezekiel,
Idris
and Elyasa, also known as Elisha.

What I have noticed from the listing of prophets on other sites is that Elias and Zulkifl are two different people, this then must be wrong, and a misunderstanding on the other sites part

Question, are there any other people in the cave besides these four in total mentioned.
Question, what is the task of these great men, when they come out to support Jesus, peace and blessings be upon them all.
Question, I was wondering about Kadir, from the story of Moses, and wondered if Nasser Muhammad could tell us more about this mysterious character.

[راضيه بالنعيم الاعظم]

اقتباس المشاركة : Teachme

Asalaam ualaikum,

Question, are there any other people in the cave besides these four in total mentioned.

— انتهى الاقتباس من Teachme

Wa alikum aslam sister, was for the four prophets been mentioned by our Imam the three prophets also they are brothers Elyas, Edrees and Elyasaa who are the companions of the cave in addition to the Messiah Jesus son of Mary forgiveness and peace be upon them all are the only ones in the cave.
As you have mentioned Elyas is Zhul-Kifl which means the guardian who sponsored his younger after their father's death and Allah granted him prophet-hood then Allah aided him by making his younger brothers to be prophets as well to support him. They had to take shelter in the cave because their people were going to kill them. Similarly what happened to Allah's prophet Jesus that when the disbelievers plotted to kill him Allah sent the angels to take Jesus' soul and to purify his body then placing him in the tranquility coffin which it is in the cave of the three prophets and their dog.

اقتباس المشاركة 165673 من موضوع Brief answers for who have the knowledge of the Book; Part 3

A Questioner asked so he said: Who is the addressee in the word of Allah the Most High: {If you did look at them,you would turn back from them in flight, and you would be filled with awe because of them}?

And replied who has the knowledge of the Book so he said:

Imam Nasser Mohammad Al-Yemeni

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In the name of Allah the All Merciful, the Most Merciful

The addressee with that; is Mohammad the messenger of Allah -prayer of Allah’s forgiveness and peace be upon him and his family- if he would look at them he will find people that he did not see like them ever in his life for the magnitude of their physical creation, and for that most assuredly as Allah said to His prophet that he would escape from them in flight and he would be full of horror from them and that because he was not considering that they are from Allah's amazing signs in the physical-creation. Confirming to the word of Allah the Most High: {Have you considered that the companions of the Cave and the added numbered person were of Our amazing signs?}Truthful Allah the Great [Al-Kahf] 18:9

Allah kept in the dark the description of the physical creation of the cave's companions from His messenger, prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him, and that so the forgers would not say in fact he saw them so he made the Quran describes their physical creation, and that in order to manifest to the people that it is the Truth from their Lord when they see the signs of ratification to a people like them, amazing signs from themselves to them, so it would manifest to them that it is the Truth from their Lord. Confirming to the word of Allah the Most High: {We will soon show them Our signs in farthest regions and among their own people, until it is quite clear to them that it is the Truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is a Witness over all things?(53) Now surely they are in doubt as to the meeting with their Lord. Lo! He surely encompasses all things.(54)}Truthful Allah the Great [Al-Fussilat] 41:53

And peace be upon the messengers, and praise be to Allah Lord of the worlds.

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اقتباس المشاركة 163555 من موضوع Brief answers for who have the knowledge of the Book; Part 2

A Questioner asked so he said: But Allah the Most High said: {When Allah said: O Jesus, I am causing you to die and raising you in My presence and purifying you of those who disbelieved}, so was he raised physically and spiritually?

And replied who has the knowledge of the Book so he said:

In the name of Allah the All Merciful, the Most Merciful, Allah the Most High said: {When Allah said: O Jesus, I am causing you to die and raising you in My presence and purifying you of those who disbelieved}Truthful Allah the Great [Al-Emran] 3:55. As for the word of Allah the Most High: {When Allah said: O Jesus, I am causing you to die and raising you in My presence}, the meant with that is; uplifting the soul of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary to its Maker as He takes the souls of the sleeping ones. Confirming to the word of Allah the Most High: {Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not, during their sleep. Then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term. Surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.}Truthful Allah the Great [Al-Zumar] 39:42

Therefore the intended of the taking of the souls is meant in this situation is as Allah takes the souls of the people in their sleep, and Allah the Most High said: {And He it is Who takes your souls at night, and He knows what you earn by day,}Truthful Allah the Great [Al-An`ãm] 6:60

And as well as He takes the souls of the deceased so He raises it to Him then He withholds which He decreed death upon it and He sends the other till an appointed term, and now we know the meaning of the word of Allah the Most High: {When Allah said: O Jesus, I am causing you to die and raising you in My presence }Truthful Allah the Great, that He means the raising for the soul without the body, and as for the body surely He specifies it in the word of Allah the Most High: {and purifying you of those who disbelieved}Truthful Allah the Great, in the meaning of; that those who disbelieved they could not get to the body of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary - prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him, and they did not kill him nor they crucified him; but Allah aided him by the Holy Spirit Gabriel and the angels and Allah raise the soul of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary and the Holy Spirit and those who were with him raised the body of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary and they purified it and made him the added (one) number (Al-Raqeem) to the companions of the cave, and He made for them a look alike other body by the power of Allah, but the Christians thought that the Jews killed the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary but they did not kill him nor they crucified him, but the Christians who said Allah took a son praise be to Him; they have no knowledge of the body of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary so they do not know that Allah purified him from those who disbelieved, they did not touch him, and he has been added to the companions of the cave, and Allah clarified that for us in the first ten verses of Chapter 18 The Cave [Al-Kahf], and Allah the Most High said: {Praise be to Allah! Who revealed the Book to His servant, and allowed not therein any crookedness,(1) Rightly directing, to give warning of severe punishment from Him and to give good news to the believers who do good that theirs is a goodly reward,(2) Staying in it for ever;(3) And to warn those who say: Allah has taken to Himself a son.(4) They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grievous is the word that comes out of their mouths. They speak nothing but a lie.(5) Then maybe you will kill yourself with grief, sorrowing after them, if they believe not in this announcement.(6) Surely We have made whatever is on the earth an embellishment for it, so that We may try which of them is best in works.(7) And We shall surely make what is on it dust, without herbage.(8) Or, did you reflect that the companions of the Cave and (Al-Raqeem) the (added one) number to them; they were of Our wondrous signs?(9)} Truthful Allah the Great [Al-Kahf] 18:1-9

That is the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary the added number to the companions of the cave, and for that Allah the Most High said: {Or, did you reflect that the companions of the Cave and (AL-Raqeem the (added one) number to them; they were of Our wondrous signs?(9)}Truthful Allah the Great

And if Allah raised the body of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary; then why cause his soul to die (and raise it) to Him -prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him- if his raising was body and soul. If you only to think! But Allah caused the soul of the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary to die (and raise it) to Him, and the lifting of his body was made to a high-elevation place in the Arabian peninsula and it is the same place that Allah saved in it the companions of the cave and they are still in the cave altogether, And Allah will resurrect them to you altogether so they would be from Allah's wondrous signs for the people if you only knew.

And peace be upon the messengers, and praise be to Allah Lord of the worlds.
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اقتباس المشاركة : Teachme

Asalaam ualaikum,

Question, I was wondering about Kadir, from the story of Moses, and wondered if Nasser Muhammad could tell us more about this mysterious character.

— انتهى الاقتباس من Teachme

As for the righteous man who Moses was asked to meet him to learn wisdom; our Imam peace be upon him said he is not Khadir as the others claimed. I will get you the translated statement of our learnt from Allah and humble Imam the Awaited Mahdi Nasser Mohammad Al-Yemeni with Allah's permission.

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اقتباس المشاركة : Teachme

Asalaam ualaikum,

Question, I was wondering about Kadir, from the story of Moses, and wondered if Nasser Muhammad could tell us more about this mysterious character.

— انتهى الاقتباس من Teachme

اقتباس المشاركة 174806 من موضوع O Awaited Mahdi, enlighten our minds with the True statement in the story of the righteous servant with Moses prophet of Allah..

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Imam Nasser Mohammad Al-Yemeni
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..The story of the righteous servant with Moses prophet of Allah

In the name of Allah the All Merciful, the Most Merciful
..And peace be upon the messengers, and praise be to Allah Lord of the worlds

Why Allah said to you: {Then they found a servant of Our servants..} [Al-Kahf] 18:65, and did not say they found a servant of Allah's prophets; in fact a servant of Allah's righteous servants and not famous? Allah's prophet Moses did not ask about his name abidance by Allah's command, because the servant does not desire that the people know to about him so they call on him besides Allah, so he requested from his Lord not to make him know because when they know that he is more knowledgeable than Allah's spokesman Moses -prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him- so definitely they will exalt him and call on him besides Allah so they beg-pleading by him to Allah, but the righteous man requested from his Lord to not make him known to His servants so he would not be a cause of sedition to the wrongdoing people who exalt the honored servants of Allah.
{ فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا } [الكهف:65]

For that Allah prohibited His prophet Moses to ask him about his name neither about his town nor from which of the countries (came from). And he said: Then my Lord how I find him? So Allah said to him to take with him a Hoot and it is the fish and the fish is something know, if you bring out of water it dies after short time; a few minutes.
And Allah taught him that the place where He will send in it the fish (to life), surely in that same place he waits for the righteous man with a decree made absolute from Allah.

For that you find Moses did not call on the man by his name because he does not know who he is, nor what is his name, in fact he knew that it is him, and that’s because he found him in the place where Allah sent the fish (to life) therein, and knew that it is him.
Allah's prophet Moses said to him: Peace be upon you. Then the man replied to him the peace (salutation) and did not say and peace be upon you O Moses son of Emran as they say (lies) against Allah whom they do not know, where is Moses from Emran? While there is hundreds of years between Moses and the family of Emran, and Moses is from the offspring of Joseph prophet of Allah. But their thinking when they found in the Book Aaron (Haroon) son of Emran brother of Mary and for that they said that Aaron is Moses' brother so as that Moses is son of Emran! No strength except with Allah the Exalted-High, the Great above the forgers against Allah Lord of the worlds, that:

اقتباس المشاركة :

The righteous man said: And Allah’s peace be upon you O Moses son of Emran, Moses said: Who taught you my name? He said: He Who pointed out my place to you.

— انتهى الاقتباس

The question that arises: Did Allah point out to Moses the place of the man? In fact Allah taught Moses to take with him a fish and where Allah sends it (to life) he finds (the righteous man), so he should wait for the man in that place, and since Allah sent the fish while they are sleeping so Allah's prophet Moses -prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him- did not know that Allah sent the fish (to life) and for that he did not wait in the place; in fact they traveled a far traveling till noon: {..he said to his servant: Bring to us our lunch, certainly we have found fatigue in this journey of ours.} [Al-Kahf] 18:62
{ قَالَ لِفَتَاهُ آتِنَا غَدَاءَنَا لَقَدْ لَقِينَا مِنْ سَفَرِنَا هَذَا نَصَبًا } [الكهف:62].


Consequently, Allah did not point out to Moses prophet of Allah — the place of the righteous man, it is then they would have found him when they came to the rock in the first time; in fact they slept at the rock while he was not present, and only the man will come by decree from Allah.

The important is that Moses did not know who that man is until Allah's prophet Moses died -prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him- while he does not know who is that man, and that from Lord of the world to meet the request of that righteous man who does not desire from his Lord to make him known to the people ever until he meets Him because he fear to be sedition for the wrongdoing people whom as soon as they know of servant — Allah has made him of the honorees — but they set him as partner with Allah and exaggerated in him (without right) unjustly and they worshiped him in order to bring them closer to Allah, and for that Allah did not publicize him at the request of his servant, therefore He said: {Then they found a servant of Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves.}Truthful Allah the Great [Al-Kahf] 18:65. But you made his name Al-Khader and made him a prophet of Allah's prophets while you forgot the word of Allah the Most High: {..Do you have authority for this. Or do you say against Allah what you do not know?(68) Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah will not succeed.(69)}Truthful Allah the Great [Younus] 10:68-69
{ فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِنْدِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِنْ لَدُنَّا عِلْمًا } صدق الله العظيم [الكهف:65]
{ إِنْ عِندَكُم مِّن سلطان بِهَـٰذَا أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٦٨﴾ قُلْ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَفْتَرُ‌ونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ الْكَذِبَ لَا يُفْلِحُونَ ﴿٦٩﴾ } صدق الله العظيم [يونس]


But I bear witness for Allah a certain True testimony — as my Lord said — that he is not from Allah's sent messengers in fact a servant of Allah's righteous servants. and the wisdom from this that the people may get out of the cycle of association with Allah from exalting the prophets and excluding the knowledge for them without the righteous ones. And Allah desires to destroy this false belief, so He sent the spokesman of Allah -Moses -prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him- to learn the knowledge from a servant of Allah's righteous servants, who is more knowledgeable than Allah's spokesman Moses -prayer of forgiveness and peace be upon him, but most of the believers refuse but to be polytheists!

O community of Muslims, what is wrong with you that you do not comprehend the call of the prophets and messengers so you exaggerate in them unjustly? Indeed by Allah Who I do not worship except Him and no God other than Him, indeed you can never get out of the cycle of polytheism until you believe in the Truth that you have the right in Allah what for His prophets and His messengers, and they are not but servants for Allah like yourselves, to Allah there is no difference between you and them in a thing, verily they are servants for Allah as you are servants for Allah.

Indeed, by Allah Who — no God other than Him — Allah did not make the companion of the (highest) degree (to be) an unknown servant except to complete the competition from all servants of Allah whoever of them is closest to the worshiped Lord. So why do you constrict the competition to the Lord exclusively for the prophets and messengers without the righteous (people), don’t you guard against evil?

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بسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ، وسلامٌ على المرسلين والحمدُ لله ربّ العالمين..

لماذا قال الله لكم: { فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا } [الكهف:65]، ولم يقل فوجدا عبداً من أنبياء الله؛ بل عبدٌ من عباد الله الصالحين وليس بمشهورٍ؟ ولم يسأله نبيّ الله موسى عن اسمه تنفيذاً لأمر الله، لأن العبد لا يريد أن يعلم به النّاس فيدعونه من دون الله فطلب من ربّه أن لا يشهره لأنهم حين يعلمون أنه أعلم من كليم الله موسى عليه الصلاة والسلام فحتماً سوف يُعظِّمونه فيدعونه من دون الله فيتوسلون به إلى الله، ولكن الرجل الصالح طلب من ربّه أن لا يُشهره لعباده حتى لا يكون سببَ فتنةٍ للقوم الظالمين الذين يُعظِّمون عباد الله المكرمين.

ولذلك نهى الله نبيه موسى أن يسأله عن اسمه ولا عن قريته ولا من أي البلاد. وقال فكيف أجده ربّي إذا؟ فقال الله له أن يأخذ معه حوت وهو السمك لأن السمك شيء معروف إذا أخرجته من الماء يموت بعد زمن قصيرٍ؛ دقائق معدودة.
وعلّمه الله أن المكان الذي سوف يبعث فيه الحوت، ففي ذلك المكان نفسه ينتظر الرجل الصالح بقدرٍ مقدورٍ من الله.

ولذلك تجدون موسى لم ينادي الرجل باسمه لأنه لا يعلم من هو ولا ما اسمه بل علم أنه هو، وذلك لأنه وجده في المكان الذي بعث الله فيه الحوت، وعلم أنه هو.
وقال له نبيّ الله موسى: السلام عليكم، فرد الرجل عليه السلام ولم يقل وعليكم سلام الله يا موسى بن عمران كما يقولون على الله الذين لا يعلمون، فأين موسى من عمران وبين موسى وآل عمران مئات السنين، وموسى من ذريَّة نبيّ الله يوسف؟
ولكن ظنهم حين يوجد في الكتاب هارون بن عمران أخو مريم ولذلك قالوا فبما أن هارون هو أخو موسى فكذلك موسى هو ابن عمران! لا قوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم من المفترين على ربّ العالمين أنه:

اقتباس المشاركة :

قال الرجل الصالح وعليكم سلام الله يا موسى بن عمران قال موسى: ومن علمك باسمي؟ قال: الذي دلك على مكاني

— انتهى الاقتباس

والسؤال الذي يطرح نفسه فهل دلّ الله موسى على مكان الرجل؟ بل علّم الله موسى أن يأخذ معه حوتاً وحيث يبعثه الله يجد، فعليه أن ينتظر الرجل في ذلك المكان، وبما أن الله بعث الحوت وهم نائمون فلم يعلم نبيّ الله موسى عليه الصلاة والسلام أن الله بعث الحوت ولذلك لم ينتظر في المكان؛ بل سافروا سفراً بعيداً إلى الظهر، ولذلك: { قَالَ لِفَتَاهُ آتِنَا غَدَاءَنَا لَقَدْ لَقِينَا مِنْ سَفَرِنَا هَذَا نَصَبًا } [الكهف:62].

إذاً الله لم يدل نبيّ الله موسى على مكان الرجل الصالح، إذاً لوجدوه حين جاؤوا إلى الصخرة المرّة الأولى؛ بل ناموا عند الصخرة ولم يكن موجوداً وإنما سوف يأتي الرجل بقدر من الله.

المهم أن موسى لا يعلم من ذلك الرجل حتى مات نبيّ الله موسى عليه الصلاة والسلام وهو لا يعلم من ذلك الرجل، وذلك تلبية من ربّ العالمين لذلك الرجل الصالح الذي لا يريد من ربّه أن يشهره للناس ابداً حتى يلقاه لأنه يخشى أن يكون فتنةً للقوم الظالمين الذين بمجرد ما يعلمون بعبدٍ قد جعله الله من المُكرمين إلا وأشركوا به وبالغوا فيه بغير الحقّ وعبدوه زلفةً إلى الله، ولذلك الله لم يشهره بناء على طلب عبده، ولذلك قال: { فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِنْدِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِنْ لَدُنَّا عِلْمًا } صدق الله العظيم [الكهف:65]. ولكنكم جعلتم اسمه الخضر وجعلتموه نبيّاً من أنبياء الله ونسيتم قول الله تعالى: { إِنْ عِندَكُم مِّن سلطان بِهَـٰذَا أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٦٨﴾ قُلْ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَفْتَرُ‌ونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ الْكَذِبَ لَا يُفْلِحُونَ ﴿٦٩﴾ } صدق الله العظيم [يونس]

ولكني أشهد لله شهادة الحقّ اليقين أنه كما قال ربّي ليس من عباد الله المرسلين بل عبدٌ من عباد الله الصالحين. والحكمة من ذلك علَّ النّاس يخرجون من دائرة الإشراك بالله من تعظيم الأنبياء وحصر العلم عليهم من دون الصالحين. ويريد الله أن يحطم هذه العقيدة الباطلة، فابتعث كليم الله موسى عليه الصلاة والسلام ليتعلم العلم من عبدٍ من عباد الله الصالحين أعلمَ من كليم الله موسى عليه الصلاة والسلام، ولكن أكثر المؤمنين يأبَون إلا أن يكونوا مشركين!

ويا معشر المسلمين، ما خطبكم لا تفقهون دعوة الأنبياء والمرسلين فتعظمونهم بغير الحق؟ فوالله الذي لا أعبدُ سواه ولا إله غيره إنكم لن تستطيعوا أن تخرجوا من دائرة الشرك حتى تعتقدوا بالحقّ أن لكم الحقّ في الله ما لأنبيائه ورسله وأنهم ليسوا إلا عبيد لله أمثالكم، فلا فرق بينكم وبينهم إلى الله شيئاً، فهم عبيدٌ لله كما أنتم عبيدٌ لله.

ألا والله الذي لا إله غيره ما جعل الله صاحب الدرجة عبداً مجهولاً إلا لكي يتمّ التنافس من كافة عبيد الله إلى الربّ المعبود أيهم أقرب. فلمَ تحصرون التنافس على الربّ حصرياً للأنبياء والمرسلين من دون الصالحين أفلا تتقون؟

الإمام ناصر محمد اليماني..
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Thankyou, this has been most helpful. I do have another question......The true lineage of Prophet Moses, peace and blessings be upon him. In the above statement, it is a bit confusing, is his brother Aaron, Haroon ? and to which time period did he come from, the first nation ?
Also ,I wondered where this name Al kadir came from ?
Also, there is a hadith about wise men coming every hundred years to re-afirm or re teach Islam....and that many have professed to being such guided ones and making there own interpretations of the Quran. Is this hadith false, as I suspect of some of the so called wise men are not so wise, as some one tried to direct to one such scholar / wiseman, and i found him to be corrupt, if some what not guided to truth at all. !!!